I purchased a $900 twin tank DeWalt air compressor. When I got back to the shop and removed the pallet/box, I discovered that all the components were made in China!.... The box said "assembled in USA" but it was advertised online as "Made in USA". ABC Supply took it back without question, their catalog department had listed the unit as "Made in USA". Absolute garbage, so I took it back. But it was a pretty yellow color....
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In the past I have unintentionally purchased tools that were made in China with brand names like DeWalt and Milwaukee on them (Home Depot, Menard's & Lowes). They were expensive tools and did not last a single season. They are garbage. I even had purchased Milwaukee impact drivers and the handles broke off 2 of them the FIRST WEEK THEY WERE USED! I couldn't figure it out until I saw in very, very tiny print "Made in China". Then I knew why they broke so easily. Sure they have a half-assed warranty, but can you stop work for a couple weeks and wait for your tools to be repaired? Who can afford the time and cost to send out tools?
Maybe the manufacturers believe that we will buy 2 or 3 of each tool or compressor to make sure that we have at least one that works??? _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
There are a few issues here: first the manufacturers are charging high "contractor quality" pricing for garbage, throw away tools which is obviously an absolute rip off.
The brand names are getting worthless!
I can find twin tank air compressors online for about $250 that the companies reluctantly admit are "Made in China". They are not expected to last long, but what would you expect for $250?? Just because they are painted yellow and have a "DeWalt" sticker on them does not mean that somehow magically they will last you 10-15 years like the REAL compressor used to.
**When I looked up the specs on the Made in China compressor pumps, most had expected lifespan of 500 hours.... 500 hours on the job is not very many roofing jobs..... Maybe 10 weeks?? Each crew could go through 3 compressors a year??
But secondly, we have millions of Americans that can't find work, our entire economy is in the toilet and jobs are still going to China daily. With so many people out of work and loosing their homes, with banks no longer making home improvement loans, who can hire us to do work?
People who can pay for our work are getting fewer and fewer every day.
Contractors are going out of business by the thousands everywhere, who do the idiot manufacturers think are going to be left to purchase their expensive tools?? Is an average homeowner going to pay $ for a gas powered air compressor? No way.
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Our company ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO SELL MATERIALS THAT WERE MADE IN CHINA, period. Anybody want to buy some Chinese drywall? How about dog food? Baby formula? Medication? Nuff said.
Our company also ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO USE TOOLS OR EQUIPMENT THAT WAS MADE IN CHINA. We explain this to customers and over 90% of the people see our point. This has been the deciding factor in getting some of the jobs we got in the last year. People respect it. Everybody has friends or relatives who are out of work, they see what we do as a good step in the right direction.
Most of the tools we buy today are either German or Hilti, I am not personally geeked about German tools, but at least the German companies have enough PRIDE in their brand name that they make their tools in their OWN FACTORY that is in THEIR OWN COUNTRY. They control the manufacturing environment and processes and quality is the result.
If companies like ABC Supply, Home Depot, Menard's and Lowes took a stand and refused to sell the fake tools, I am certain that the manufacturers would bring back their manufacturing or go bankrupt. Hint, hint!
I am an Engineer and I spent almost 3 decades in manufacturing, I can guarantee you that you will not get quality manufacturing in China in the near future. I have seen too many foreign factories and I understand the problems. I also understand that the actual "cost" of the Chinese made tools is extremely, extremely low. Charging the high contractor prices for them is criminal!
Oh yes, I almost forgot. Does anybody know where I can buy a REAL "Made in USA" Contractor grade air compressor? Cost is not a deciding factor at all. The cost of downtime due to broken tools & equipment is way, way beyond the cost of the tools. If I have to spend $ to get a good "Made in USA" air compressor I will, gladly!
The Hilti tools I buy are easily 2 to 3 times the cost of the crap DeWalt and Milwaukee tools, but they last and do not break down. When (if) they eventually wear out, they can be easily rebuilt, they are not throw aways.
Dan
Jononon - let's make sure we are talking the same thing when we say "doing business" - so yes, a foreign company can issue purchase orders to a US company to buy things without needing a US corporate entity, for example
but if one wants to "do business" in this country (which is a state by state issue and you have to incorporate (or form an llc or partnership or some other recognized corporate form) - so let's take NY as an example:
there are 2 tests - whether you are conducting activities that are core to your business and whether there is enough contact with the state to create taxable presence and jurisdiction for being sued
The traditional test of doing business for purposes of CPLR § 301 is "transacting any business"
The classic statement of that principle is that for a state to assert jurisdiction the defendant must have "certain minimum contacts . . . such that the maintenance of suit does not offend traditional notions of fair play and substantial justice."
So the business's conduct and connection with the forum state must be such that he should reasonably anticipate being brought into court there.
What is important is that it takes a higher level of contact to invoke the qualification requirement. however, not all business activity engaged in by a foreign organization rises to "doing business" in the qualification sense
("[T]he foreign corporation must do more than make a single contract, engage in an isolated piece of business, or an occasional undertaking; it must maintain and carry on business with some continuity of act and purpose."
Most of the law of "doing business" is found in the decisions of courts. Those cases afford no precise measure of the extent of the activities which may be determinative of whether a foreign organization is doing business in New York for purposes of qualification. If the activity is vital and essential to the organization's business, it will have to qualify. If the activity is merely incidental to that business, it will not.
Once you determine that you must qualify to do business in a state and so in the US, you can only qualify as a recognized legal entity
In other words, if you place an ad here, sell out of your home country to someone here, buy something from here for use in your home country you are right - no need to act as a US corporation
but, if you "do business" in the US, you can only do so as a US corporation - so Honda, for example, cannot conduct business in this country (for example, manufacture cars) other than by establishing a US subsidiary
when i started this thread my thinking was not so much whether quincy is good or not - it may be great - even using chinese pumps, even being owned by the swedes - but you cannot say it is an american company - it was meant to be a simple point - thanks
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